Tragedy in SedonaMy Life in James Arthur Ray's Inner Circle                      
by Connie Joy

 References for Chapter 18

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 1: Brandy: She said for almost the entire time since arriving, they had been only allowed about one hour sleep each night and had been deprived of food and water. 

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: Soneyia: However, when she returned from the kitchen RAY told her she was "dead" because she looked at one of the Ninja's. MARZVAAN was then told to close her eyes and accompany one of the staff or dream team until they told her what to do next. MARZVAAN said she was led to a golf cart and told to keep her eyes closed and eventually was transported to another location on the Angel Valley property and told to lay motionless until told she could move by RAY. MARZVAAN explained that during the exercise RAY was "God" and decided who would live or die.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: Dawn: She said later in our conversation that she heard RAY proclaim at some point on the day of the sweat lodge that he was trained in sweat lodges by Native Americans and that even Native Americans agree that his "sweats" are hotter than theirs.

   

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Scott: Scott said James Ray is quite proud of his sweat lodge and claims it is the very best and most intense. James Ray claimed even the Natives say he has the best sweat lodge ever.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: Shawna: She said she has been trained by American Native elders for sweat lodge and she thinks he completely disrespected the ceremony. She does not think elders would have taught that. She said she was told by James Medicine Tree, who was told by elders, that they have gone to James Ray and told him to stop, that he wasn't doing it right and was hurting people. She said normal sweat lodge, you walk out refreshed and ready to eat a nice dinner, you don't walk out sick.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: Randy: Randy said James Ray told them that he was a member of 4 shamanic orders. He said James told them he had spent time in Egypt, Peru and been an employee of Tony Robbins.

   

 Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Beverly: …"you think you are going to die, but you won't die." Beverly said yes James Ray said that.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: Christie:  I asked Christie if she heard James Ray say, regarding the sweat lodge, that you may feel like you're going to die, but you won't die? She said yes it sounded like that.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Kristina: Kristina said that James Ray told them that it would get very hot but that they would be okay.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: Melissa: James Ray told them they needed to surrender to death to survive it. It is going to be hotter than hell and you have to remove your mind from your body to survive this.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: Randy: James Ray told them in the meeting room "it's going to feel like you're going to die. I assure you will not, embrace your fear of this." He said he told them when they got through it they would be stronger people.  … Randy said James Ray told them in the sweat lodge or immediately before "if you pass out you will be taken care of." He said he felt that led people to stay and allow themselves to pass out thinking they would be okay because he would take care of them.   

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Jeanne: Jeanne said James Ray told them "you may feel like you're nauseated and need to throw up."

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Jeanne: She said they were using death as a metaphor throughout the entire week.

 

Online: TechCrunch: 2 People Died In A Sweat Lodge Last Night And Deleted Tweets Have Surfaced. 10/9/09

News Article Online: Hamilton Defends retreat center, 2/2/10

 

 Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: Marta: Marta said there were 48 participants as well as James Ray, Taylor butler, Michael Barber (Technical Vendor for James Ray), Megan and Josh Fredrickson, and "Dream Team" volunteers Aaron Bennett, Liz Neuman, and Mark Rock. (It was later determined that JR Staff member Greg Hartle was also present inside the sweat lodge., and one participant did not go into the sweat lodge at all.) If this is an accurate description of the sweat lodge attendees, there were 56 people inside the sweat lodge at the start.

 

 Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 1: Ami: at approximately. 1430 hrs, they went into a "sweat lodge." 

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Beverly: Beverly told me they did 8 rounds

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Mark Rock: He was told there were 8 this year and he knows there was 7 last year.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: Brian: There were 8 sessions. 

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Teresa: Teresa told me the sweat lodge lasted two to three hours.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Sara: She thinks they were in there 2 or 3 hours.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Beverly:  The paramedic asked what happened and Beverly said she told them they were all in the sweat lodge for about two hours. The paramedic responding "how fucking ridiculous" and began caring for Sydney.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Beverly:  Beverly told me they did 8 rounds, the first round was very long she estimated about 25 minutes and James Ray had 12 rocks brought in during the first round. James Ray closed the door and led them in a chant. James Ray told them certain Gods were at the different gates and watching over them. She said he spoke in a different language she did not understand. 

Beverly told me in round two James Ray had 12 more rocks brought in.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Beverly:  Beverly described that a five gallon bucket of water was dumped onto the new rock at each round creating steam.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Beverly:  Beverly told me in the third round it was getting even harder for her to breath. James Ray had 8 more rocks brought it.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Beverly:  Beverly said 8 rocks were brought in for each of the remaining rounds.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: Dawn: She said that the heat in the sweat lodge was by her approximation 10 times hotter than any sauna she has ever taken part in.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: Randy: Randy said when people initially started to leave James Ray was telling them "you're more than that," and "you can do this." He said James was talking like that when he (Randy) went out.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Beverly:  Beverly said James Ray was telling them if your bodies are feeling pain you're stronger than that, you can over come this.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Beverly:  It was then that Beverly said she got to her hands and knees and moved east crawling toward the door intending to leave. James Ray told her, "Beverly you are stronger than that, stay".

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: Brian: Ray verbally prevented 2 people from leaving the sweat lodge and told them they had to wait for the sweat lodge door to be opened.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Jeanne: She said later a male subject told that he had crawled out and didn't even know he had done so. 

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Beverly: Beverly said James Ray stated, "That is sacrilegious what he did, you must go out clockwise".

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: S: S said she heard James really angry saying who brought that flashlight bring it forward. Then James yelled put that tent down that is sacrilegious.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: Lisa: Lisa told me someone took himself out the back of the lodge around round four; she thought it might be John Ebert. She said when he went out of the lodge, James Ray commented "We don't do that."

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Ami: She said she believed she passed out at some point while she was inside. She said a friend told her she "balled her eyes out" after being removed from the sweat lodge. She said she believed she was unconscious for about twenty minutes.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 1: Brandy:  She said a woman she knew was laid down nearby and when she tried to talk to her, staff said she could not talk to the woman, as it "was her experience." She said the woman laid there for approx. twenty minutes before she woke up. She said the woman then rolled over and started to vomit.

 

 Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 1: Brandy: She said a woman she knew was laid down nearby and when she tried to talk to her, staff said she could not talk to the woman, as it "was her experience."

 

From Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: S: Team members were telling her of the ones that were unconscious, that they are okay, they will come back, they are having their out of body experience.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Beverly: Someone said, "I can't take it, I am hurting". James Ray then told them to quiet down he said, "I'm the one talking now".

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: Dennis: He stayed through the 5th round and wanted to stay longer to finish the ceremony but felt he just couldn't. Dennis said he tried to crawl out but must have passed out does not remember how he got out of the lodge. 

When Dennis came to he was outside and the dream team members were pouring water on him. He was really dizzy and could not get up. He thought he was down about 10 minutes and then started throwing up severely. Dennis thought he would then feel better, but he did not. Then he started having trouble breathing and thought he was having a heart attack. Dennis said he was trying to breathe but could not and thought his heart had stopped. Dennis said he was screaming he did not want to die.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Scott:  Scott remembers James Ray telling Dennis he needed to quiet down.

 

Josh Fredrickson Immunity Interview transcript:

Josh: James was still inside and Dennis was yelling so loud that everybody inside could hear it and obviously disrupting what was going on inside, the ceremony.  So I remember James, cause Dennis kept yelling I'm dead, I'm dead and James kept yelling out Dennis, no you're not dead.  And I thought it was surprising that James would yell to somebody outside the lodge from inside cause he, I mean, I don't think I've ever really heard him do that before.

 

Josh Fredrickson Immunity Interview transcript:

Det. Diskin: Did you hear someone say that they were having a heart attack

Josh: That was during the last round when I was outside.  I was laying down and cooling off over here and Dennis, I think his last name is pronounced Mecavar, he was in a chair with people, you know, some of the people helping him.  And he started, he started yelling and he was acting a lot like how Daniel Pfankuch was acting back in 2005.  He was very belligerent, loud, not being cooperative and at one point he was yelling, he was yelling, he was yelling that he had died and then he was yelling that he had a heart attack. 

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: S: S said Dennis was having a seizure and flailing on the ground screaming he was dying. This occurred during either the 4th or 5th round and no one called 911.

 

 Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: S: S said Dennis was having a seizure and flailing on the ground screaming he was dying. This occurred during either the 4th or 5th round and no one called 911.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Beverly Beverly then remembers she forgot to tell me during either round 5 or 6, Lou became disorientated and started crawling out, but crawled right into the fire pit. He was screaming when he was drug out. Beverly said once outside she saw him with his arm in the air and it was horribly burnt.

 

 Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 1: Brandy: Ms. RAINEY said another man apparently fell onto the heated stones in the sweat lodge and suffered severe burns to his hands and arms. She said the staff put his hands and arms in a bucket of ice and water and she saw what she described as big chunks of flesh coming off his hands and arms. She said the man started to shake uncontrollably. 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: Melissa: When Lou burnt his hand, James said to Lou wow you will have a good reminder of this.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Scott… crawled back inside at round 6.  Scott intended to crawl back to where he was seated near Kirby, but once he got inside there was a woman lying passed out where he needed to crawl so he squatted down where he was. James Ray was telling someone to move the woman back, but the person said he could not because she was lying on his leg. Scott said he moved toward her to help move her and James Ray told him not to. James Ray said well we need to continue on.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Scott: Once it finally ended he knew he needed to get out of there or they all were going to die. Initially no one was really moving and he went over to the woman and was tugging on her to get her out. Scott felt bad that he was having to drag her through the dirt and knew he was scratching her face. Finally Greg came over and was helping him get her to the door. 

 

Supplemental Stephen Ray police interview transcript:

Det. Diskin: They had told us that you remembered seeing James Ray put water on himself and Megan, is that correct?

Stephen: That's right, I remember feeling him splash because I was sitting just to the right of him and his staff

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Nell: This was her first vision quest/sweat lodge and she stayed through all 8 rounds

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: Melissa: Melissa said that Kirby was breathing in a snoring fashion for 4 rounds. Melissa kept telling them she was not breathing right and could see she was slumped over, but did not know if she was unconscious.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: Dawn: GORDON said she believed that around round 6, SHORE pulled Sidney SPENCER out of the sweat lodge because she was in distress. It was GORDON'S belief that SPENCER was unconscious when SHORE dragged her out.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Dawn: She said Sidney had no voluntary movement…. After Sidney was taken out, James (Shore) came back in and took that spot so now it is James and Kirby to her left.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: Dawn: She said SHORE came back to her position and shortly after he came back she heard him say "We need help over here to get her out". She said there was no response. SHORE said she could hear BROWN gurgling and based on the direction of the gurgling and the direction of SHORE'S cry for help, she assumed that SHORE was talking about BROWN.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Dawn: She said at one time James opened the back so there was light, trying to get air. She said it was requested that he close it. She said he asked that Kirby needed to come out. Dawn said at that point James (Ray) said nobody else can leave at this time.

 

 Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Beverly: They closed the flap starting the 7th round. It was then someone said, "she's not breathing; I can't get her to move". James Ray said, "doors down; we will deal with it later".  

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: Randy: Randy said when he left the lodge at the end of the eighth round, Sean, the two women, James and Kirby were all inside. Randy said he crawled out on the tarp and he looked up at James Ray and his staff who were there standing up. He said he yelled at them "hey somebody needs to get in there and help these fucking people because they're in trouble." 

Randy said in response to Randy's request James Ray looked at one of his female staffers and said "they'll be okay." 

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Beverly: That was when she looked at Sydney who was still unconscious. Beverly said Sydney's eyes were rolled back in her head and she had drainage coming from her mouth and nose and was barely breathing.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: Shawna: She said the woman had a blank stare on her face and began saying "why did James Ray do this, Why did James Ray do this", "Why did I look to James Ray, why why why". She said she was saying this over and over again. She said this woman did not appear to be fully conscious. She was shaking in fits. … I asked who the woman was and she said Christine Bivens. ... Christine started to convulse and had foam coming out of her mouth. …She said Christine's body was contorting and would say she was cold.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 1: Brandy: She said one woman was rolled over and was foaming at the mouth and having an apparent seizure.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 1: Julie: Julie remembers Tess on her side moaning and thought it was Tess's way of dealing with the ordeal she had just gone through. When Tess would not respond they rolled her on her back and saw she was foaming at the mouth.

 

 Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Beverly: When she sat up she saw Laura come out of the tent and she was staggering around and walking toward the fire.

 

 Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Beverly: Beverly said she continued to look around and saw a woman lying on the ground and her arm was starting to turn blue and it did not look like she had circulation or was breathing.

 

 Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 1: Julie: Stephen told her that he got sick once he got outside and passed out.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: Marta or Melinda: Marta or Melinda told me Stephen Ray was dragged out the front of the lodge at the conclusion of the ceremony; he was unconscious and his eyes were fluttering, as if he was having a seizure. She said he was the first flown out and Liz was the second one flown.

 

 Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Beverly: Then she noticed Stephen at her feet and he was barely breathing and had drainage coming from his mouth and nose. Beverly said she looked into his eyes and all the blood vessels were burst.

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: Lisa: Lisa told me when Stephen came out he told her he was feeling suffocated, and then things went black.

   

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Scott: Scott said the staff was totally overcome with the number of people who were having problems and many people continued to get worse even once they were outside.

 

 Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 1: Julie: At the end they would be helped out to the tarp and hosed down with very cold water and the reason was to wash off the toxins and close off their pours.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Sandy: she said she had to be carried out when she left. She said she was dizzy and couldn't function after they hosed her down, and then she went into shock and started shaking.

 

 Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Teresa: Teresa told me she felt fine until she came out of the sweat lodge, and she was in shock for a long time, and when she started coming out of shock, Robert started becoming nauseous and vomiting with a headache.

 

 Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Scott: Jennifer hosed him off and he went into shock and was convulsing, he raised his legs up to get blood flow back to his core. He kept going in and out.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: Dennis: When Dennis came to he was outside and the dream team members were pouring water on him. He was really dizzy and could not get up. He thought he was down about 10 minutes and then started throwing up severely. Dennis thought he would then feel better, but he did not. Then he started having trouble breathing and thought he was having a heart attack.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: S: S said that around the fifth round so many people were being drug out unconscious with only two dream team members and two hoses they were having trouble cooling everyone around.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: Randy: Randy said when he went back into the lodge at the beginning of the sixth round there were "many indications that things were not going well." 

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: Dennis:  Dennis felt it took them to long to get emergency help on scene. Dennis said a lot of people were sick well before Kirby and James were found to be not breathing. Dennis described that everywhere he looked people were crawling and throwing up.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: Dennis: Dennis wants to know why they did not call medical sooner when he went out having trouble breathing in the 5th 6th round.

 

ABC’s Nightline Story on James Arthur Ray, 12/9/09

Melinda Martin dishes on her ex-boss on ABC’s Nightline. She says that employees weren’t permitted to address Ray directly, who kept himself “on a pedestal”; her fellow staffers forbade her to call 911 when things first started to spiral out of control in Sedona.

 

Pfankuch Police interview transcript:

Det. Diskin:  Do you remember what the hospital said was wrong with you?

Daniel Pfankuch:  Heat stroke I believe and severe dehydration.

 

Smyser Police Interview transcript:

Det. Diskin: Well Daniel was diagnosed with heat stroke in 2005, if  they had told in 2005 or in a previous sweat lodge somebody got heat stroke would that have changed your decision to stay in the whole time?

Susan:  Probably, yeah, because I mean heat strokes very serious

Det. Diskin: Right

Susan:  People die from heat stroke.  

Det. Diskin: Exactly.

Josh Fredrickson 11/11/09 interview transcript: Det. Poling:  Okay.  In 2005 when this was happening, weren't you around when he was yelling at Amayra for calling 911?

Josh:  You know I do remember them arguing, I don't remember the argument.  I mean I know he was mad that, that, that an ambulance had to come.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: Fawn: And Debbie looked inside the lodge and said there are three people still in here can I open the back of the lodge? James said, "That would be sacrilegious." Then James said, "But If you have to go ahead. Debbie was already ripping open the back of the lodge. Fawn said the three people pulled out were "blue".

 

ABC’s Nightline Story on James Arthur Ray, 12/9/09: Melinda Martin: Ray emerged from the lodge as fresh as if he’d spent the day in a spa and made absolutely no effort to help any of the victims.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: Melissa: Melissa said she felt that he should have gotten onto his knees and started talking with the people trying to help them back to consciousness.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: Shawna: She said at one point when this woman (Christine) was yelling out James Ray's name he just looked over and then looked away.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: Dennis:  Even afterward James Ray just sat on a chair. All he told Dennis was "oh you were reborn, go take a shower and go to dinner. (While CPR was being performed on two people.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: Randy: Randy said James Ray was just standing around and looking at people. He said it looked like James Ray was not concerned.  … He said it seemed like they delayed calling 911 to avoid an incident….Randy said he never saw James Ray help any of the people in distress except he saw James talk to a specific woman that had been asking for him. He said James got down on his knees because the woman was on her back.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Jeanne: James Ray came to her and asked what can we do, what else can we be doing?

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 1: from officer R.C. Bollen

Lt. Parkison later arrived on scene. He asked me to locate James Ray and bring him down to the sweat lodge area. Deputy Sutton told me Mr. Ray was the one in charge of the group and he needed to answer some questions. The owner of the retreat grounds took me to where Mr. Ray was located. He was in his room which was located near the mess hall. Mr. Ray was in the middle of eating and I told him he needed to come to the site and answer some questions. He asked me "right now" and I told him yes now. He asked if "Joshua" was down at the site and if he could answer any questions we might have. He was referring to Joshua Fredrickson. I told him we needed him and asked him again to come down to the site. He put on some pants and followed me part way to the golf cart. He asked if he was going to be answering questions for a while and I told him he probably was. He then went back to his room and got his jacket. He then went with me to the site where he was contacted by Lt. Parkison. 

During the rest of the call I either stood guard at the crime scene tape or detained Mr. Ray. We did not speak to each other during this time. 

End of My Involvement. 

R.C. Bollen #E24 

Tue Oct 27 21:32:28 MST 2009 

 

Megan  Transcript Immunity Interview: James as far as I know went up to his room to shower cause he was the first one out of the lodge and as far as I know he just went straight up to his room.

 

Josh Fredrickson 11/11/09 interview transcript:

 Josh:  James I believe in 2005 as soon as he got out of the lodge I believe he went, he just went back to his room and showered up.  I think he just the first one to exit and then he just went back.  And then when the ambulance was called they went and got him from his room and I think that's when the argument happened that you were talking about with Amayra.  So he came and so he was down there before the ambulance came.

Det. Poling:  So after this sweat happens and he just takes off and people are needing help then?

Josh:  Yeah.

 

Josh Fredrickson 11/11/09 interview transcript:

Det. Poling:  Prior to leaving though someone had to exit that sweat that day.  They were having difficulties but they must wait till the next round, wait till the round is over before you leave.  There was someone having distress in there, did he check on that person to see how they were after the sweat?

Josh:  Not immediately after, no, but he's, he's the first one,  he's the first one to exit and so you know we all leave clockwise in a single file and so it takes awhile for everybody to come out.  So what happened in 2005 and this was also when we switched the events so it was the first time that we didn't go straight to Vision Quest.  So he's the first one to exit and so he got hosed off and then he just gathered his stuff and went.

 

Megan Fredrickson Immunity interview transcript:

Det. Diskin: Okay, several people have told us that after things started to slow down a little bit and that officers and the detectives started arriving to interview people, people have told us that you and Greg and Josh and James Ray hid out in the gift shop so that you wouldn't have to talk.  Not James Ray, I'm sorry, you and Josh and Greg Hartle hid out in the gift shop so you wouldn't have to talk to law enforcement.  Is that true?

Megan: No I was sent by James to call the attorneys and the PR folks and the cell phone signal doesn't work at Angel Valley so I went to Michael Hamilton and asked him where I could make phone calls, if it was okay.  And he had me go to the gift shop.

Megan: No, I was in the gift shop because I was, again, told to call.  I was on the phone with the attorneys and PR the whole rest of the night.

  

Megan Fredrickson Immunity interview transcript:

Det. Diskin: When you were in the gift shop did you send email out to James Ray employees?

Megan: At like 3 in the morning, 2 in the morning, something like that

 

Megan Fredrickson Immunity interview transcript:

Megan: Yes, yeah we were in the gift shop.  Once Josh and James were released, they came to the gift shop

 

Megan Fredrickson Immunity interview transcript:

Det. Diskin: Let me ask you this.  The email that went out to James Ray employees, clearly at this point you knew that people had died and that others were in critical condition, correct?  At the time that you had sent that email out at 3 in the morning? 

Megan: I don't think we (Inaudible) I mean we knew people were in the hospital, I don't think we had known officially that James and Kirby had (Inaudible) 

Det. Poling: What time was this at that you're talking about this meeting (Inaudible) 

Det. Diskin: 3 in the morning

Det. Poling: 3 in the morning?  No Josh knew.  I talked to Josh personally and he knew so he had to have known

Megan: And he knew?

Det. Poling: Absolutely

Megan: So yeah

Det. Diskin: So why say we had a great time, some people have taken ill.  Why make it sound like it's no big deal?

Mr. Proctor: So he's asking you what (Inaudible) the advice of lawyers was

Megan: Yeah we were under the advice of legal counsel as to what the wording was

 

Megan Fredrickson Immunity interview transcript:

Det. Diskin: Who was ultimately responsible for the content of that email, would that be you or James Ray?  Who approved that email going out to all of James Ray International employees?

Mr. Proctor: Were lawyers involved in that process?

Megan: Uhm, God I don't remember.  Uhm I mean James was there and he told us what to say

Det. Diskin: Can you tell us about that some people took ill but it was a great week and people had a great time

Megan: Yea that was, thank you, yeah that was under the advice of the attorney's, the concept of taking ill and

 

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: Melinda: There was nobody contracted or assigned specifically to handle medical issues at the sweat lodge.

 

Transcript of private call: http://www.examiner.com - Cassandra Yorgey: Transcript of Private call between James Ray and Sweat lodge victims. Doc & Pdf. 10/15/10 by Cassandra Yorgey: Because James Ray and his staff kept stressing the importance of turning to others in the James Ray community for support, or as James Ray kept referring to his followers “Harmonic minded individuals”.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 2: Beverly: I asked how Beverly was doing and she said she is very frustrated because after the conference call all the other participants are not talking, or saying they do not remember. Beverly said during the conference call they were directed to only talk to people within the organization.

 

Transcript of private call: http://www.examiner.com - Cassandra Yorgey: It would appear that he is psychologically tampering with witnesses as well as continuing to hit them up for money…

 

Transcript of private call: http://www.examiner.com - Cassandra Yorgey: “Harmonic minded individuals” is bad enough but another phrase James Ray and staff kept using was “those who have fallen ill” apparently he is choosing to portray this as some sort of disease or sickness, as opposed to the reality - they are suffering from overexposure to dangerous levels of heat that is a direct consequence of James Ray’s actions in the sweat lodge.

 

Law Enforcement Interviews Narrative 3: S: One last comment S made was now how James Ray is saying how important it is to continue "our mission". S said prior to this, Ray made it very clear that this was his mission to spread his information.

 

Transcript of private call: http://www.examiner.com - Reporter = Cassandra Yorgey: Barb, will you now tell us a little about what you experienced during the closing ceremony?” This, I think, is the worst part of the entire conference call. Barb is one of James Ray’s staff members and she goes on to talk “of the two that had passed and they left their bodies during the ceremony and had so much fun they chose not to come back and that was their choice that they made.”

 

Transcript of private call: http://www.examiner.com - Cassandra Yorgey: James Ray ended Barb’s story. “Hopefully all of you appreciate hearing that as well as I did reading it and hearing it again. Greg you were gonna say something?”

 

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